The worst dialogue in the series, is Emily calling the denizens of hell "innocents"

I’m surprised you didn’t mention how in the finale Charlie is in total despair at losing losing Sir Pentious and Lucifer asks her why she has a frown on her face as if she wasn’t dealing with the fact that her friend was disintegrated a bit ago. Talk about pacing whiplash.

One thing that really confused me: what exactly are Hell’s politics? Like, Lucifer is the king, but has no idea who Alastor, who seems like a pretty big deal, is. He doesn’t seem involved in Hell at all. Is he just a figurehead? If so, why does Charlie view the people in Hell as “her people”? It seems quite different from her father’s point of view.

8 episodes is PLENTY for the initial premise of trying to figure out what gets sinners redeemed. It was Vivzies “we gotta fit everything” thing that made it so it seemed rushed.

What's up with VizziePop Shows pitching good concepts, then throwing them aside for other stuff? Like seriously both shows seem to do this.

"Great concept, terrible execution" is Viv's modus operandi at this point

Normally I'd say a show like this probably suffered primarily due to the limited runtime. But then you look at Over the Garden Wall , which most fans seem to agree is an animated masterpiece. That managed to tell an exceptionally creative, fully-fledged story with well-rounded characters in only 10 episodes, each less than 15 minutes long. Maybe then the issue is just the writing itself and the inability to properly maximize the time allotted. That's not to say I don't think there are some shows whose problems would mostly be fixed by more episodes and longer episode runtimes, but if the writing isn't already up to par, then a change in length won't impact much other than pacing imo. Pacing is important but it's not the only element in good storytelling, even though I feel like a lot of media critics now believe it is. You can have a well-paced story that's still lacking in both plot and character development for other reasons.

11:47 THANK. YOU. it honestly shocks me the polarity between alastor and valentino where one is characterized as a sweet little silly guy and the other is seen as satan incarnate. like THEY ARE BOTH HOMICIDAL SLAVE OWNERS WHO PHYSICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY ABUSE THE PEOPLE LEASHED TO THEM??? the cognitive dissonance at play is genuinely insane to me.

My biggest problem in the show is the endless plot holes,

My biggest problem character wise was Adam. They didn’t go much into his character and I ended up despising him more than I intended.

Theres one thing i noticed and now i cant ignore it anymore. Too many fricking suits, do some other clothes, godamn

This is a very fair and sound criticism of the show. I loved it myself, but you make points I soundly agree with. The first episode was truly a rough start, especially with Adam giving us the reason why the "if X was written by Vivziepop" is a meme in the first place. One can hope Season 2 will iron out these issues and get a tighter focus, and less of a breakneck pace.

Yeah, the problem I immediatelly saw when watching episode 1 was "oh no, they want to make a series about redeeming villains but they are better at animation than story-writing, that's a problem...". The big problem with the premise is that redeeming someone means you have to take a stance on morality and philosophy. What is a sin, what gets people to hell and heaven, can anyone be redeemed from hell and so on. And then deliver on that in a way that's not hamfisted or too simple, which often takes good writing and time. It's like delivering on character growth but then even more.

Charlie isn't even redeeming sinners, she's introducing them to self improvement. Redemption would be more or less getting the characters to acknowledge that the shit they did to get them sent down there was wrong and coming to terms with it.

As Adam says in the first episode, Lucifer struck a deal so that the Hellborn wouldn't be exterminated

The series has too many plots, and it doesn't connect to the theme. The pliot literally was simple but was perfect. The series is out and tries to jam you with tons of plot, but not trying to introduce characters or the hotel. Then we get heaven in the same season... oh dear, that's too much, and it's not woven nicely.

It irritates me how Charlie is such a pushover in the actual show. In the pilot, she was a lot more assertive which is what is needed to prove yourself in the world.